Who is kal niranjan

I am wondering what is the history for "Kal Niranjan". The history of the words. I'd like to contribute some of what I already found. As for "Niranjan", I used to think it was a possible reference to the color orange.

For the "light" reference, I found this word curious. Orange is the typical color assoc- iated with the casual plane, I do suspect, in Eckankar dogma and possibly other similar paths. For what it's worth, here is the wikipedia definition - the current one - for "Niranjan". Niranjan is one of the names of Venkateshwara, a god in Hindu religion. The literal meaning in Sanskrit is "Fearless". However, I did find a listing for "niran".

For example: "anjali" 1 anjali see and v. Later Sikh Guru Nanak used this holy name to denote God. Taking into account the previous history so far, I suspect the word "Kal" to be some kind of modifier for the word "niranjan" - in the compound "Kal Niranjan".

My preliminary suspicion is an allusion to the way "time" affects "light". Anybody else have a clue about history for this word "kal niranjan"? How it came to be? What it meant to people when first coined? This next link came up in a search for "kal niranjan" and might have something in the way of history prior to "Eckankar" - concerning the term "kal", at least.

So far, I haven't read the whole page. I did see reference to Kabir, though. The fall of Kal as is described in the Anurag Sagar of Kabir is one of the most innovative explanations of the origin of evil I've even found in the world religions.

I don't know how Radha Swami teachings arrived at this knowledge, or what was their source for the history of Kabir. I began from the desire to research "kal niranjan" further. See page Post by Etznab I was aware at the time this Path Of The Masters section on Kal Niranjan was similar to Eckankar"s version, but I didn't want to take the time to illustrate both sources and the similarity.

Post by Etznab For some people, I suspect it could come as a big surprise. I suspect some people could be very surprised! Post by Etznab Perhaps I'm just speculating some people are not going to discover this, but others will. Eventually, though, it could become common knowledge and so I guess Eckankar is just going to let everybody find it out on their own, in their own time. Post by Etznab I have tried to "look ahead" over the years and imagine how such history is going to play out.

As an Eckist, I've also tried to prepare myself for the times when new people might come to me and ask about this. What do I tell them? Post by Etznab This is something I have contemplated for many, many days. This is one of the reasons I chose to research the subject, take extensive notes, and compile numerous refer- ences. I do not believe that "Never mind that. Post by Etznab I'd rather know the actual facts.

That is just me. I admit this has been very, very challenging for me at times because I've learned it can be a sensitive area to touch on. Especially to talk about it openly at private members only and public Eck events. Post by Rich I was aware at the time this Path Of The Masters section on Kal Niranjan was similar to Eckankar"s version, but I didn't want to take the time to illustrate both sources and the similarity.

For some people, I suspect it could come as a big surprise. Perhaps I'm just speculating some people are not going to discover this, but others will. I have tried to "look ahead" over the years and imagine how such history is going to play out. This is something I have contemplated for many, many days. I'd rather know the actual facts. Number Harmonics. Post by Number Harmonics Just briefly Rich One and Two Everything raised here Never a problem for me.

And the entire issue has been so thoroughly flogged out on a. Rich Smith's open offer to list ALL plagiarism, for example What did we get to And that was with Rich being generous??

That's less than the vast majority of religious books Deepak Chopra, Baba-Ji, Bhagwan All their stuff is plagiarized to a greater extent. Comes down to "So what? It is just SO labourious to read. Blavatsky makes light hearted jokes in comparison. Is this part of what the myths were trying show? Kal time Niranjan beyond illusion maybe it's because the Kal is the negative power, and therefore is not subject to the illusion he creates, rather than him being in the spiritual worlds If that's the case, I'd say Kal is not the only one well aware they are not God, but pretend to be so.

Isn't it that some believe they can speak for God? If Kal were really a being, and not some literalized symbology that took legs, then this Kal would not only know about the material universe IMO , this "Kal" would know about the creation of the whole gamut of lower worlds. Including those places that some people call heaven. Personally I doubt there is a God and I doubt there is a Kal in the form of "beings" like those living here on Earth.

Instead I imagine them more like kinds of "energy", or "vibration" and if manifesting as beings I believe it has more to do with the observer than it does with the observed. The invention of the idea of a Kal Niranjan is one of the reasons other reasons may also be included to leave such a religion as Eckankar or others Religion immediately.

What's in a name: Kal Niranjan. Reply to author. Report message as abuse. Show original message. Either email addresses are anonymous for this group or you need the view member email addresses permission to view the original message. Wikipedia didn't appear to have a page for history about Kal Niranjan.

Even my Sanskrit dictionary link didn't. So I went to check baby names for Niranjan. The meanings include: "spotless; pure" and "Form of: Niranjana".

A name of Lord Shiva. Closer you can get to the purer contemporary translations, the more success, I think. Good luck on you journey. It is only with exclusive devotion that his vision in MahaVishnu form is possible. Let us study what Shrimad Bhagavad Gita says. Gita Adhyay 11 Shlok 52, 53 Brahm-Kaal tells , the vision of the four-armed form of mine is rare.

Even deities long to have a vision of this form of mine. This form vision can be with neither the way of worship mentioned in Ved nor with Jap-Tap or any kind of sacrifice ie. Note: The vision of the huge form Virat roop though, is still impossible by any kind of devotion which is the actual form of Brahm-Kaal.

Otherwise, this vision is impossible. About his way of worship, the speaker of Gita has described in Yajurved Adhyay 40 Mantra 15 and its summary is provided in Shreemad Bhagavad Gita. This is the exclusive devotion of Kaal. Salvation is not possible with this, neither the vision of Kaal God.

It is only after death when he eats, seekers can have a vision of his huge form. All the warriors aligned in the opposing army will not exist even if you will not kill them. I will eat all. No one has ever seen this.

Brahm-Kaal says that —On earth, my actual Kaal form, nobody can see i. He did make an appearance. The readers by now have got a feel, how crooked is this shaitan. He remains unmanifested and performs all his evil tasks and punishes innocent human beings. Therefore, he is believed to be attributeless formless. The whole world is worshipping him.

No one has the true spiritual knowledge. Everyone speaks their mind, they impose their legislation. No one wants to listen to my Puran Parmatma knowledge.

Whichever religious practice someone is following he suggests others follow the same. Like, a recluse bairagi tells to hold reclusiveness ie. Those who are celibate Brahmchari they give importance to pilgrimage and fasting. Monks have destroyed their lives by practicing hathyoga meditation. Disciples of all cults attired in various costumes and by making different identities consider themselves to be the true worshippers. Their gurus also hold similar costumes and are propagating their cults, they are misleading innocent devotees, trapping them and are preparing food for Kaal-Brahm.

Without the complete Saint Tatvadarshi Saint salvation can never be attained. Readers will be astonished to read that Kaal-Brahm is an associator in the attainment of the complete God.

Brahm-Kaal says —that I am the initial stage prestige of the Puran Parmatma complete God being imperishable, immortal, eternal dharma and perpetual divine bliss. Note: This Brahm-Kaal only gives way to the true worshippers ie. He bows his head and lets devotees go from his region lok. There are three stages prestige of God. There are three Gods. The first prestige ie. When the true devotee Hans of KavirDev goes to Satlok, the first stage prestige is to cross the region of Kshar Purush. After taking initiation from a complete Guru.

Then Brahm-Kaal permits the soul to put his legs on his head and leave the jurisdiction of his twenty-one Brahamands and go to the next region ie. This is the first stage prestige. The second stage prestige is to cross ParBrahm ie. Along with this, if Sarnaam is not provided then also this is incomplete. This is the third stage prestige.

Here lives that Hans who has attained complete salvation. The readers can understand this with an easy example. Similarly, to attain Puran Parmatma, Brahm-Kaal is the first stage.

Hence, Kaal-Brahm is an associator in the attainment of the Complete God. The only way out in Kalyug for the trapped souls would be chanting true mantras ie.

Satnaam and Sarnaam which will help souls attain salvation. It has been proved that salvation cannot be attained by any kind of devotion. True worship of Param Akshar Brahm complete God KavirDev Ji ends all vices of the soul as mentioned in Gita Adhyay 8 Shlok 28 that after gaining complete spiritual knowledge, seekers should perform worship as told by a Tatvadarshi Saint and abandon arbitrary worship to attain Param Akshar Brahm.

Above mentioned spiritual hidden secrets are being revealed by the great Saint Rampal Ji. Infact, this knowledge is mentioned in our holy scriptures. He also composed pious four Vedas and eighteen Puranas. Almighty Kabir is omnipotent, omnipresent. Jagatguru Tatvadarshi Sant Rampal Ji has untangled the complicated hidden spiritual knowledge from all holy scriptures.

Identify and take His refuge, get your well being done. Creation of Nature Universe 4. Brahm's Kaal Vow to Remain Unmanifested. What blunder did he commit? Where was that sin committed?